Debunking THEORY of evolution

Evolution has been oficially debunked.

Alow me to share some quotes from you. Remember thse are from who athiests think are smart people. They went to colege and everything. Some of them are doctors. Not the kind that heal people though but the kind of doctor who usually lies about sience to recruit children to athiesm. But some Christians became wise in the way of sceince and found all the problem in the theory of evolution.

Read the section calld “Evolutionary theory and Cases of Fraud, Hoaxes and Speculation‎” and see what you think now! Stephen Gould is a scientist and he said “the best ‘evidences’ for Darwin’s theory have been exaggerated, distorted or even faked.” It’s right their and they have fotnotes. Four people.

Even Darwin hisself wrote that “When we descend to details, we cannot prove that a single species has changed; nor can we prove that the supposed changes are beneficial, which is the groundwork of the theory.” (CHARLES DARWIN THE ATHIEST GOD)

What that mean is their are no transitional fosil records. They had 140 years to find even just one but they cant. Because God didn’t make one. So without evidance these people made up the idea of a cow that got up and walked. No, I’m not making that up. Go read the thing you’ll be shocked at what kinds of garbag these people make up and tell each other about. Their teaching this stuff in all the public schools so you should send your children to a private school.

So let’s look at th science paleobabble:

Ernst Mayr wrote: “It must be admitted, however, that it is a considerable strain on one’s credulity to assume that finely balanced systems such as certain sense organs (the eye of vertebrates, or the bird’s feather) could be improved by random mutations.”

He said mutants are bad and die real yung so thy don’t have kids.

And also he said life is just way to complexated to not b from God.

Dr. Jonathan Sarfati states the following in relation to the diluted definition of the word “evolution”: “ …many evolutionary propagandists are guilty of the deceitful practice of equivocation, that is, switching the meaning of a single word (evolution) part way through an argument. A common tactic, ‘bait-and-switch,’ is simply to produce examples of change over time, call this ‘evolution,’ then imply that the GTE [General Theory of Evolution] is thereby proven or even essential, and creation disproved. The PBS Evolution series and the Scientific American article are full of examples of this fallacy.

Bate and swich is illegal, except when it’s used to attack Christian faith!

Dr. Walt Brown states the genetic material that controls the biological processes of life is coded information and that human experience tells us that codes are created only by the result of intelligence and not merely by processes of nature.

See? It has to be God!

In the peer reviewed biology journal Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington Dr. Stephen Meyer argues that no current materialistic theory of evolution can account for the origin of the information necessary to build novel animal forms and proposed an intelligent cause as the best explanation for the origin of biological information and the higher taxa. The editor of the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, Dr. Richard Sternberg, came under intense scutiny and persecution for the aforementioned article published by Dr. Meyer.

I told u their’s persecution of Christians!

The history of organic life is indemonstrable; we cannot prove a whole lot in evolutionary biology, and our findings will always be hypothesis. There is one true evolutionary history of life, and whether we will actually ever know it is not likely. Most importantly, we have to think about questioning underlying assumptions, whether we are dealing with molecules or anything else.” – Jeffrey H. Schwartz, Professor of Biological Anthropology, University of Pittsburgh, February 9, 200

It’s not even sience!



  1. 1
    Doug Indeap Says:

    OMG! At first I thought this post was for real, then I thought it was parody, then I wasn’t sure (because I’ve seen some weird stuff–like Kirk Cameron’s banana bit–that appeared to be good comedy, but turned out to be intended as serious), so I checked deeper into this web site and, whadayknow, this guy is serious too. When really ridiculous misstatements about evolution are mixed with grammatically goofy protestations about slamming one’s intelligence, it’s hard to tell.

    I hesitate to be harsh, but sometimes it’s just warranted. This post attacks a caricature of evolution. Please learn about the real thing from a real science textbook–and then tell us what you think.

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    angryxtian Says:

    What I think is evolution is just a THEORY and not even a good one. Its like that guy what thout we all came from aliens from outer space and Egpt.

    If evolution was real there’ud be transhional fossil records but nobody can find any. Because God didn’t make any.

    There’s no prof at all for evolution and even Darwin turned away from it and became a Christian before he died. God shown him the truth and I guess he was finally smart enouf to realize it.

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    Matt Says:

    Er, actually a great number of transitional fossils have been found across a whole number of different species. But then it would seem that your ability to do independent research is as limited as your capacity to spell.
    I recommend looking at (a highly respected site full of fully referenced and verified scientific findings, papers and research) to actually look at the evidence. Including it’s various lists of verified transitional fossils.

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    Matt Says:

    As for the myth of Darwin converting to christianity on his death bed, well … there’s no evidence for that. It was a story started from one woman who said he did it, when Darwin’s own family state that woman never actually visited Darwin as he was dying or any actual time before it.

    And even if that story was true, which is clearly is not, then it would not prove anything anyhow.

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    BobC Says:

    “Remember thse are from who athiests think are smart people.”

    Well, at least we know how to spell “atheists” and “these”.

    “Not the kind that heal people though but the kind of doctor who usually lies about sience to recruit children to athiesm.”

    We also know how to spell “science”. And we don’t lie about it.

    Recruit children to atheism? If only it was possible. Children unlucky enough to have bible thumping parents don’t have a chance.

    You got a lot of nerve to use Stephen Gould to criticize biological evolution. I saw him give a speech at the University of Chicago and it was obvious Gould loved evolution. Don’t you know some fake scientist you can quote to spread your lies?

    “What that mean is their are no transitional fosil records.”

    OK, mister. Which is it? Are you a compulsive liar, or are you just uneducated?

    You also quote-mined Ernst Mayr. You really got a lot of nerve.

    “And also he said life is just way to complexated to not b from God.”

    Complexated? What’s a complexated? What’s a “b”?

    Jonathan Sarfati is a bloody idiot. You’re never going to learn anything if you listen to professional liars like Sarfati.

    “Dr. Walt Brown states the genetic material that controls the biological processes of life is coded information and that human experience tells us that codes are created only by the result of intelligence and not merely by processes of nature.”

    Translation: THE MAGIC MAN DID IT.

    Thanks for proving Christians are willfully ignorant, gullible, and the dumbest people in history.

    You’re obviously very young. There might be some hope for you but I doubt it. You could grow up, educate yourself, and face facts, but I bet you’re going to remain a god-soaked uneducated moron for the rest of your life.

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    BobC Says:

    “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

    That figures. The god-soaked creationists are terrified of criticism so they like to censor the truth.

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    BobC Says:

    “…even Darwin turned away from it and became a Christian before he died. ”

    Check your facts asshole. That’s a myth and if you weren’t so gullible and fucking stupid you would know it’s a myth.

    One more thing you fucking moron. Evolution has tons of evidence. Mountains of it. Do you know anything about the molecular evidence? Do you know what ERVs are? Get an education asshole and stop spreading lies about science.

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    undergroundnetwork Says:

    Why does angryxtrian persist?

    We all know this blog is fake! I think its so funny that an atheist would make a site where Christian’s are portrayed so comically! They can’t spell, they don’t understand logic, and they abuse science! No transitional fossils! ha, brilliant! This is great satire! I like how you illustrate how no matter how much science backs evolution, Christians still deny the facts! thats so true!

    I love how the character ‘angyxtian’ distorts science and twists thing to make it somehow support the god hypothesis. Brilliant, they really do do that!

    Darwin becoming a Christian before he died?! Now that one is really funny. You should have a TV show, I’d watch it. Like the daily show, but a fake televangelist show. That would be AWESOME!

    Thanks Angryxtian, keep up the good work!

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    shidemn Says:

    undergroundnetwork- unfortunately this blog isnt a joke this is what the guy actually believes. You just have to get used to him.

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    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    Just stopping in for a break from my break to say this:

    Evolution is a fact, not a theory.

    The theory is natural selection. Theory is a proposed explanation of how facts (like evolution) function and interact, not just a guess.

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    shidemn Says:

    BTW, that conservapedia thing is run on a wikipedia server, so it is likely open source, ao any one can edit it. SO it make it an unreliable source, i would gladly admit to you evolution is a fraud if you can PROVE with a CREDITABLE source. But until then it is a known fact as it has been accepted.

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    In God's Name Says:

    nobody can edit it there’s no edit button I looked. It’s not wikipedia nobody’s promoting sucide.

    and the rest of you besides our Christian host are just showing your ignorance here.
    evolution is a fact, yeah, and pigs can fly with bat wings!
    i know you all believe in the lie but it’s a fraud and a hoax and you have no evidence at all. the fossil record proves it was god who created the world and everything living in it. the bible tells us so and even your precious dead rocks prove it. there are no transitional fossils and even darwin himself finally realized that proved his theory was wrong and it’s been another 150 years and nobody can still find any transitional fossils. not one!

    evolution is a big lie and the only reason anyone believes it is there is an atheist.

    it’s all an attack on the children trying to keep them away from god! i’m glad someone is talking about this filthy perversion the damn liberals are pulling over on us! we need to all unite and keep this from happening.

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    undergroundnetwork Says:

    Wow Ingodsname,

    How damned profound of you! Without support of evidence you slate evolution as a lie. I’m honoured that someone of your intellect and knowledge has decided to share your irrefutable evidence with us.

    The argument over evolution is over. It is as concrete a fact as the earth is round. You don’t believe that’s flat, do you?

    Many Christians accept evolution. Even the previous pope acknowledge it as the truth, arguing that it did not conflict with the bible,which is a stretch! More educated people than you have adopted this brilliant idea.

    The bible has long since been exposed as inaccurate, hence every generation of Christians has to change what is accepted as literal and what is now considered metaphorical in the bible. Genesis used to be taken literally, now most Christians consider it metaphorical.

    Hell even the bible is evolving! Unlike the bible, evolution can explain the intricacies of life. No twisting or manipulation required.

    Most developed countries are seeing atheism rise. Come on ingodsname, join us! No more cognitive dissonance, free Sundays and all the scientific justification for your world view that you will ever need! Atheism is truly liberating. Free yourself!

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    In God's Name Says:


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    Dan Says:

    I’m not sure if this blog is satire or not. It’s a bit weird whatever it is.

    I don’t really believe in evolution (macro) myself but this guys defense on the topic is fairly poor. He’s quoting from a parody blog – Conservatipedia.

    In response to someone that said it was hilarious that someone could say Darwin recanted on his deathbed – this is actually something that dates back to his time, not something this guy just made up. Darwin died alone with one of his family members who was a Christian. She was the only one there when he died. She said he had renounced the theory of evolution on his deathbed and became a Christian. Whether this is true or not is something else. I think it’s unlikely that he would have. However, this guy didn’t just make up the idea – he stole it from a comment I made on his DNA post a few posts back. He is not very original.


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    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    “Everyone knows that the world is 6,000 years old, just look it up in any geology book that is also the bible.”
    -Stephen Colbert

    Hey, xtian, I found proof that God exists! Here it is

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    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    Tell me this doesn’t mirror what angryxtian says about atheists:

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    shidemn Says:

    Ingodsname- “It’s not wikipedia nobody’s promoting sucide.”
    >>wow somebody hates Wikipedia, your also wrong it is RUN on Wiki servers i never said it was Wikipedia. and it should have an edit button ill look later.
    “evolution is a big lie and the only reason anyone believes it is there is an atheist.”
    >>>Really then how come some Christians believe it too???

    UndergroundNetwork- “Most developed countries are seeing atheism rise. Come on ingodsname, join us! No more cognitive dissonance, free Sundays and all the scientific justification for your world view that you will ever need! Atheism is truly liberating. Free yourself!”
    True sir, true.

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    angryxtian Says:

    Note one of you athiets ( that means athiest idiots ) can even say a reason you belive in evilution let alone why you think its true. All the responses ben about you like it becaus othr athiets do to.

  20. […] look on the last post I did its called Debunking THEORY of evolution. The athiests swarmed like flies on something that comes out the rong side of a dog and riting all […]

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    Matt Says:

    It’s not a matter of believing in Evolution, since believing in Evolution would be like believing in the colour blue. It is simply a matter of all available evidence indicating that’s it correct. Is it 100% certainly with absolutely no possibility of it ever being proven wrong? No, of course not (but then, nothing in science can be regarded as such) but no one has yet to come up with a Theory which fits the evidence.

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    angryxtian Says:

    I do’nt see any evidence for evilution and I looked around. I see lots of evidence for God though. I like that saying about believing in the color blue ( which God invented for the sky ) I might borrow that from you for when the athiests bother me if you don’t mind?

    So you admit nothing in science is 100 % true?

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    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    Read Dawkins.

    Then come back and present some real arguments.

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    Doug Indeap Says:

    I stopped by again out of curiosity–and while I expected perhaps some would try explaining to angryxtian the (many, obvious, and basic) errors of his ways, I am amazed that some have actually taken his assertions seriously and even defend them. Truly amaaaaazzing.

    angryxtian, at least use the spellcheck on your computer–unless you really want your posts to be taken as a joke. Actually, your posts are so over the top that I still have a nagging suspicion you may be taking all of us for a ride.

    In any event, have a nice day–and if you’re not joking, really think about cracking that science textbook. I’m not joking when I tell you that not one of your posts so far addresses evolution. Rather they simply bad mouth some silly ideas you call evolution. If you want to attack those ideas, knock yourself out–but don’t think for a minute you’ve said one thing about evolution.

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    Matt Says:

    If you looked around and didn’t see any, well, your reading comprehension skills must truly be lacking. I’ll even link you to a rather useful page full of evidence:

    And god did not invent the colour blue. It’s called light refraction, the result of light hitting the atmosphere at a particular angle. The exact same mechanism for why the sky turns red at sunset.

    Nothing in science is 100% true? Only to the extent that science is always looking out to prove itself wrong and always looking for evidence to construct more comprehensive theories to explain evidence.
    In short, science always keeps an open mind … where religious fundamentalism is the exact opposite of that.

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    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    Jesus, angryxtian, they ALL presented evidence or links to evidence.

    You just aren’t reading it, are you?

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    shidemn Says:

    This is just an observation, Frank do you like to make new words?
    Libtards, athiets, theres other i think, lol.

  28. 28
    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    I think he just forgets how to spell them and compensates by making up new meanings for them.

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    In God's Name Says:

    it’s funny to watch all you atheists run around like chickens with your head cut off talking about “evolution is true evolution is god” for no good reason at all. not one out of the bunch of you can tell a single reason to believe in that crack pot theory except that you all got told a lie that made you hate god.

    this is why we should have laws. this evolution crap has to be taken out of our schools. here we have more atheists than i can count looking like some kind of feeding frenzy to defend bullshit they don’t even know why they’re defending.

    evolution is nothing but taking advantage of the gullible.

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    Shawna Says:

    I agree! There’s no reason evolution should get tought in the schools. If you really want to poison your child’s mind I guess you should home school him or go to France!

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    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    In God’s Name:

    We gave you tons of evidence for evolution, and you just responded like “Oh, you guys are gullible! Atheism is a religion!” etc. etc.

    Bottom line: there is no evidence for creationsim. At all. There is evidence for evolution. Deal with it.

  32. 32
    shidemn Says:

    “Bottom line: there is no evidence for creationsim. At all. There is evidence for evolution. Deal with it.”
    >>Bluntly this is true, evolution does have some evidence that it is true, But the problem with creationism is this there really is no proof, only arguments like; “how could there be such beauty in the world without a god?”

  33. 33
    In God's Name Says:

    “Bottom line: there is no evidence for creationsim. At all. There is evidence for evolution. Deal with it.”

    that’s why none of y’all can find any.

  34. 34
    Matt Says:

    It is utterly fascinating how when asked for evidence to support our claims, we can provide research, papers, experiments and so on. So many you’d be hard pressed to count them all. Then there’s field evidence such as fossil record, geographic species distribution and so on.

    Yet when we ask creationists/IDers for their evidence so we can check it out, we constantly get nothing. Nothing at all.

  35. 35
    angryxtian Says:

    It is utterly fascinating how when asked for evidence to support there claims the athiests have nothin. Prooved.

  36. 36
    Matt Says:

    It is interesting that, apart from a demonstrated inability to spell, you also have no apparently concept of ‘burden of proof’. Atheism is the default position, we’re all born as Atheists. When you pop out of that womb, you have no concept of ‘self’ let alone ‘god’.

    Christians, and other religious folk, make claims that there is an all powerful creator, life after death, etc. You know what? It is not up to us to disprove such claims … it’s up to you to prove them. Which you have failed to do at any point in this entire blog, nor have I heard anyone ever give any sort of evidence for either.

    I also find it interesting that those who claim that the Theory of Evolution can not possibly be true, such as the author of this blog, always are surprisingly ignorant of it. You constantly see these really rather bizarre statements and claims attributed to Evolution which are not actually in the Theory anywhere. And yet, if you flip the proverbial coin over, you’ll find that a lot of Atheists are actually quite familiar with the Christian faith and have read the Bible numerous time (I know I have).

  37. 37
    Forrest Says:


    I’ve only read the bible once … certain books more than that, but cover to cover, I can’t say I’ve read it multiple times. On the other hand, I’ve also done more than my share of homework on evolution. If Occam’s Razor means anything, natural selection is at least the best answer we’ve got right now.

    Bacteria evolve; natural selection puts a certain “pressure” on them to develop immunity to antibiotics. Individual bacteria that do, contribute their genes into the pool, while ones that are knocked out by amoxicillin eventually meet their end.

    It’s true that people are born with no faith in gods, or in any particular god, and then learn this from other people. It’s also true that for Christians, and for Muslims, Hell is a very hot place, while in Scandinavian religions, it’s very cold. This couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the cultures that pass the religious notions down to the next generation … could it?

    I’m not sure atheist is a terribly meaningful word, though, and a strong hunch that the god we hear so much about certainly isn’t the default position that comes with birth. Most of us in this thread – including the guy who writes the blog – are probably non-astrologers. We just don’t identify ourselves as such.


    There have been many transitional fossils:

    * Archaeopteryx, something between a dinosaur and a bird. This was discovered in 1861, just two short years after Darwin proposed his theory. There’s been a lot of time to get used to the idea.
    * The platypus, still with features you would associate with a reptile.
    * Ambulocetus, something like a crocodile; this became the whales we know today over the course of tens of millions of years.
    * Tiktaalik, a four-legged fish.
    * The family tree of the horse.

  38. 38
    undergroundnetwork Says:

    Please, my esteemed friend angryxtian, can you please read the comments before you dismiss them. Unless, of course, you cannot read, you would see that every claim you have is refuted and ample evidence is provided to support evolution. There are some very intelligent posts above, please take the time to read them.

    Clearly you have a problem understanding much of what is discussed. We too, often struggle to understand what you are saying. Can you please define the following:

    sience (Séance?)
    Prooved, (can yooo spell?)
    tought, (this one is shawna’s, but it is still worth mentioning)
    do’nt, (brilliant apostrophe usage!)
    athiests, (hmmm)
    Egpt, (is this an acronym for something?)
    evilution, (are you trying to be clever? It’s like us referring to god as dog, really smart!)
    All the responses ben about you like it becaus othr athiets do to. (huh?)

    We all make typos, but we attempt to try make it as readable as possible. Are the mistakes a symptom of your stupidity, or are they just to disguise the fact that nothing you say makes any sense.

  39. 39
    shidemn Says:

    undergroundnetwork- Dude give up Xian hates all things that are communist, and apparently he must think that the spell check is communist, because things like this we can be assured:
    sience (Séance?)
    Prooved, (can yooo spell?)
    tought, (this one is shawna’s, but it is still worth mentioning)
    do’nt, (brilliant apostrophe usage!)
    athiests, (hmmm)
    Egpt, (is this an acronym for something?)
    evilution, (are you trying to be clever? It’s like us referring to god as dog, really smart!)
    All the responses ben about you like it becaus othr athiets do to. (huh?)
    I used your list, there are far more typos in his blog, but i didnt want to take the time to find all of them, far too boring.

  40. 40
    undergroundnetwork Says:

    I cannot give give up! This guys blog is the best entertainment ever. Nothing on TV, the radio sucks… I know, I bet angryxtian has something funny on his blog. And alas, another ridiculous mindless comment.

    Thanks angryxtian, you give my life meaning. Perhaps you are my god!

  41. 41
    Jeff Says:

    Please don’t follow a man as God, no matter how tempted you may be.

  42. 42
    Matt Says:

    That’s alright then, I follow the path of Optimus Prime.
    He’s better than any man!

  43. 43
    shidemn Says:

    Matt- what about Megatron, lol

  44. 44
    alexanderthegreatest Says:

    Optimus Rhyme is a giant, rapping robot. Does that count?

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    angryxtian Says:

    Thanks for your coment which shows your libral deceipt.

  46. 46
    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    Gee, angry, thanks for responding to all of the evidence we brought up instead of just making up some insults like a kindergartener.

  47. 47
    angryxtian Says:

    Evidense you brought up or you made up?

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    Matt Says:

    Oh yes, beware of the horrible Atheist Evolutionary conspiracy which goes around making up evidence just to fool and confuse you!

  49. 49
    angryxtian Says:

    At leas your honest, Matt.

  50. 50
    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    Evidence we brought up.

    You apparently taking Matt’s joke seriously speaks louder than anything I could ever say about your dishonest, bigoted ways.

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    angryxtian Says:

    Bigoted against the fairy tale we came from a monkey? That’s not politicaly correct anymore?

  52. 52
    angryxtian Says:

    I read something great:

    Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.

  53. 53
    Matt Says:

    Now what biologist ever seriously claimed humans came from a monkey, hm? Care to find a verified quote for us?

    And the Theory of Evolution has very little to nothing to do with chance or luck, so I am not understanding where you’re getting that idea from at all.

  54. 54
    angryxtian Says:

    Why ar you playing dum? That’s the hole definition of evolution.

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    Matt Says:

    It may be YOUR definition of the Theory of Evolution but it certainly is not mine and certainly does not match up at all with the Scientific Theory of Evolution.

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    chillinatthecabstand Says:

    Evolution by natural selection is the complete opposite of chance.

    Angry, you obviously have no clue what evolution is.

    Really, none.

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    alexanderthegreatest Says:

    Evolution is the sinful practice of spelling things hideously wrong while calling people who know how to read and write “ignorant”.

    This is why I really don’t think Angry’s “web blog” is a joke or a parody or trolling or whatever. He really seems like an angry little man with a giant chip on his shoulder, p***ing in the wind and getting his leg wet.

    Nobody is rewriting the Bible and attacking straw men. But our devout friend here is on a Don Quixote like quest to prove that a monkey didn’t hit the lottery and give birth to a human tax accountant.

    Maybe next he can try to prove to us that Bugs Bunny has never even been to Albuquerque, and that it’s a “libral” conspiracy to make the world think he missed a left turn there.

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    Dan Says:

    It is not at all surprising that Angry Xtian won’t believe anything about evolution whatsoever – his spelling has been continuously devolving (getting worse) ever since he started this blog.

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    shidemn Says:

    Dan- LOL!

  60. […] Evolution is a fraud theory and that makes Richard Dawkins mad. These people built there house on a earthquake and now everyone can see through it. […]

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    Expwnent Says:

    BobC Says:
    “‘Your comment is awaiting moderation.’

    That figures. The god-soaked creationists are terrified of criticism so they like to censor the truth.”

    You hypocrite. It’s not like you people don’t do it too.

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    Bob roberts Says:

    Angryxtian. In your own semiliterate way you have every right to be angry. Science comes along and unthinkingly dumps all over your religious fantasies. No wonder that you’re angry. Your silly ideas have been showwn to be total rubbish. I mean if you can’t get angry what can you do? Stick your fingers in your ears and say “I can’t hear you!” whenever someone mentions the overwhelming evidence that you’re descended from fishy ancestors? Try not to think critically and make sure that the only book you read is the “bibble” because “Jebus luvs me”, so that you can maintain your fansy in the face of overwhelming reality.
    Good luck by the way. You’re going to need it . Things will only get worse.

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